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I'm not going to let a dead guy scare me out of my building.

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Who do you think is haunting here?

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An ex-member.

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He always said if he died, he'd come back and haunt this place.

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Whoa.

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What the hell?

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I just saw a face right in that window.

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Why do you think he's haunting the firehouse?

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I mean, it was like his second home.

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That's what I thought.

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Too scared to do anything.

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You dare to call him a coward?

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Everyone doesn't know the entire story.

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I'd like to know the whole story.

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I think I can get it for you.

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My name is Ryan, and I'm a paranormal investigator.

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When I was a kid, my experiences with the supernatural

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terrified me, and I've been searching for answers ever since.

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So when I got to Penn State, I realized

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I wasn't alone in my quest.

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So I founded the Paranormal Research Society,

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dedicated to helping those who were haunted like I was.

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We are students.

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We are seekers.

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And sometimes we're warriors.

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Any time we help someone, I feel like I'm one step closer

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to finding the truth.

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This is Paranormal State.

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We were contacted by two firefighters, Marissa and Jason.

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And they think they have a ghost haunting their firehouse.

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They've heard banging sounds.

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One of them was actually pushed.

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Some of them believe that Jason may be the target of what's

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going on there.

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He was attacked at one point.

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I think he said he's had fire truck helmets come flying off

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those walls in his room.

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When he provokes it and things are flying across the room,

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he says he does get scared.

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They think that whatever's here is angry about something.

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They believe it is one of the former firefighters.

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Died tragically years ago.

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If there is a spirit here, we've got to find out,

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then why is it being malicious?

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These firefighters are used to putting themselves in harm's way.

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But now they're going to need our help.

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MUSIC

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Hi.

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You, Jason?

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Hey, how you doing?

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Nice to meet you.

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Nice to meet you.

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Marissa.

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Marissa, nice to meet you.

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So this place is haunted.

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Yep.

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I'll hear, like, bangs on the trucks.

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I'll hear the truck doors open and close.

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You'll hear walking on the grates.

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Right here, I was really provoking him.

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He was really active.

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Stuff was moving around.

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And my air mask flew and hit me.

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And it was that feeling of dread, just like, all right,

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you made your point.

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And this was while you were provoking him?

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Yeah.

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After I squared off with him, that's

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when it flew off the rack.

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I was at this mirror right here.

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And it was kind of off to the side so I could see the door.

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And so I'm in.

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Well, bye.

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But I couldn't make out of face.

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I just saw, amen.

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And this door slammed shut and latched.

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I was scared to death.

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OK.

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A lot of the activity happens back here.

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You get shadows, voices, noises, chairs moving.

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Two seconds before you guys pulled up,

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there was knocks and bangs.

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Everybody's had an experience from the chief

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down to the juniors.

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We're sitting in the back hall on the stage,

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and I started feeling like some kind of cold breath.

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I'm like back in my neck.

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And we saw shadows just running back and forth, footsteps.

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You can sense him.

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You can see him.

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You can hear him.

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OK.

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Who do you think's haunting here?

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An ex-member.

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Does he have a name?

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Oh, yeah.

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His name's Joe.

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Joe?

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OK.

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He's definitely the one.

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He always said if he died, he'd come back and haunt this place.

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When did you start talking to the spirit as if it was Joe?

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I was going to say like two years ago,

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we tried to interact with him.

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It was because things were happening,

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and we just wanted to see if we could get him to interact.

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You feel like he's trying to tell you he doesn't want you here?

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I just think he's trying to tell me that I'm invading his space.

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This is his firehouse.

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Get out.

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Like, you're not wanted.

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When did Joe die?

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I believe it was because he was trying to get out of the house.

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Joe died.

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I believe it was in 2004.

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OK.

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It was not very long before I got here that he died.

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Do you know if he was ever angry in real life?

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I really don't know.

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I never met him.

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Well, then why are you so interested in Joe?

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Just always have been.

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It's just one of those things that you know it's there

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and you want the proof that it's there.

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I'm the one that provokes him.

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I kind of pursue him more than anybody else.

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Do you think he's capable of hurting somebody?

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Yeah, it's that bad.

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I got the no fear mentality, and I'm not going to let a dead guy

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scare me out of my building.

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What's your relationship to Joey?

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He was friends with my father.

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I grew up around here.

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I grew up at the firehouse, so I knew all the guys.

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I was always known as the baby.

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How did people begin to talk about this place being haunted?

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I didn't actually hear of anything until two, three years ago.

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Jay had actually said somehow, firehouse ghost.

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I'm like, firehouse ghost.

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Well, they told me they think it's Joey.

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OK.

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Now, how did he die?

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Yeah, um, that is a very touchy subject.

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I can't, um, I don't know what I should talk about

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OK.

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Director's log.

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It's clear that Joe's death has cast a dark shadow over this firehouse,

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and that some details are still too difficult to discuss.

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I'm bringing in psychic Chip Coffey,

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who knows absolutely nothing about this case.

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If he can pick up on Joe, then that would be remarkable psychic work.

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Lots of movement in this room.

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Lots of movement around in this room.

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There's a man who yells, he's got a loud voice.

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He's not nasty.

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He's just talks, you know, barks.

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His name is Joe.

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Joe just feels like he's just hanging out here.

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There's a person here that's a male that he's targeting

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or showing himself more to something going on with one guy.

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But there's anger.

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He's angry at somebody?

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Yeah, it's like this person's not doing things the way that he thinks

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that it should be done, or there's some level of,

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there's some level of discord there.

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Is there something that connects them both?

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He knows.

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Whoever the person is that you're trying to connect the dots with,

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this person already knows what the answer is to that question.

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Is there, I'm just going to ask you,

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is there something to do with a family relationship like a father son?

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Uh, I don't know.

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If you're truly connecting with him, and if he's really there,

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and he needs to tell me how he died,

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that will solve a lot.

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I'm here to try to figure out why he's still haunting this place.

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Did he kill himself?

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Everyone doesn't know the entire story.

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I'd like to know the whole story.

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I think I can get it for you.

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Commencing dead time, it is 11.04.30.

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Is anyone here who wants to talk to us,

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ready to listen?

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Can you give us a sign of your presence?

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Is there anybody here?

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You've made wrappings and knocking sounds before.

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Can you do them again for us, please?

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Can you tell us, there's some sign of your presence?

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Who you are.

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Who's that?

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It wasn't me, but I heard it too.

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Hey, both teams heard that.

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It wasn't anybody here.

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If that was you, can you do it again?

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If that's you making those banging noises,

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could you make another noise for me?

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What was that?

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Did you guys hear that banging noise again?

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Yeah, I did.

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I came from upstairs, like from the ceiling.

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Oh, God.

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Joe, are you here?

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Whoa, that was right above me.

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Joe, are you here?

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Whoa.

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Can you make that sound again?

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There it is again.

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I heard that.

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Need more than the banging sounds, my friend.

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Every time I hear water being like a...

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that thing up there goes...

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there might be an actual explanation for it.

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Do you guys were able to pull up the files from last night,

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the banging sounds we heard?

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Yeah.

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You're going to hear some shuffling around,

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then you're going to hear vibrating through the pipes,

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then you're going to hear the loud bang.

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Okay.

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We discovered that when the bathroom runs after it stops,

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you hear that sound.

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All right, show me the video of the door opening up behind Tofer.

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And...

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There it is.

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See, this is important to know,

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because they claim the door is closed behind them.

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We're going to say that the door slammed really hard behind her,

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whereas with Tofer, it's sort of just sort of glided.

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If it slammed, then we haven't been able to reproduce that so far.

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We don't tell Chip anything when he comes in.

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He said the name Joe.

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Right off the bat, just said Joe.

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He said Joe's protective of the police.

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He said that Joe is targeting another male.

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When I asked what the concern was,

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Chip claims Joe said he knows what the concern is.

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Not really ringing a bell?

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No.

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And he also asked if Joe killed himself.

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Is that what happened?

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Yeah.

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It's pretty much a...

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He ran a tube from the exhaust pipe, the van,

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put it in the window, and taped it off.

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He gassed himself.

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It was carbon monoxide.

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If he's attached to you, if he's focusing on you,

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there's got to be a reason why.

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Chip mentioned that I was like a father-son relationship.

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Only a problem is...

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I never met him.

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...he never knew him.

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He's a DJ. He's his stepson.

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Really? Wow.

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Everyone thinks that it's Joe that's haunting the firehouse.

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Do you agree or do you think it's somebody else?

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I can't picture it being anybody else.

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Have you ever been there to try to provoke Joe?

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No, I know.

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Would you ever?

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Is that something you wouldn't do?

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Are you cool with Jason doing that?

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Not really.

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I mean, it does bother me. It really does.

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Joe, he was really the first one that I lost at a young age.

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It was just kind of unexpected and just caught me off guard.

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Why do you think he's haunting the firehouse?

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At the point in time when he did what he did,

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he kind of lost everything around him.

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He started to lose control.

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And I think, in a sense, what he could do in a firehouse was really...

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he could control what he had to.

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I mean, it was like his second home.

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Or what happened?

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It was a family issue that he was going through at that point in time.

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I had went to his house one day and he was just talking about

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just packing up and leaving.

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Like leave New Jersey, the town, really?

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Yeah. And after that, we wound up talking again

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and he wound up sticking around.

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And the reason why it taunts me to this day is the fact that

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if I didn't talk to him, would he be here today?

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Director's log.

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We're going to begin preparing for dead time.

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There are still many questions that remain,

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including why Jason, who never even knew Joe,

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apparently seems to be the focus of the activity.

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If there's anybody here, you know that we've been trying to talk to you.

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So if you don't mind trying to talk to us, we'd like to hear from you.

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Joe, we know you're here. Stop hiding.

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It's time to come out.

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We do know that an operation was seen behind this bar,

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so hopefully something will happen while we're sitting back here.

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Alright, Joe.

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We're not in the business of playing games.

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Where is he, Chip?

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I felt over here at first.

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Can you let us know that you're here?

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Is there some reason why you won't come forward?

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Is there something you want to say to somebody?

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Why are you here?

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Chip, you said that the ballroom was a lot more active.

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Let's go in there.

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Joe, are you ready to talk yet?

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He's just the type of person he's going to do stuff when he's ready.

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I know there's been your issues with me in the past.

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I'm right here, right out in the middle of the floor.

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Come on out. Stop being scared.

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You took the coward's way out, and now you're being the coward again.

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That's what I thought. Too scared to do anything.

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Joe, if you want the truth to finally be known,

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can you give us some sort of sign?

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What was that?

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Dead again.

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That was the IR light, right?

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Yeah.

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You were talking to me earlier.

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You were telling me things.

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You were giving me at least hints of what was going on with you.

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Why isn't he doing it now?

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Whoa.

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What?

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I can tell you the answer to that.

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Something to do with Jason?

325
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Yeah. It's a piss to you.

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I kind of figured that.

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You've been making some poor decisions.

328
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Yeah.

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Can I ask you a point of my question?

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Sure.

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He killed himself, right?

332
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Yeah.

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And you called him a coward?

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Mm-hmm.

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You want to know what he says to me about you?

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Then why the f*** did you think about doing the same thing?

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Really?

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Yeah.

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He killed himself, right?

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And you called him a coward?

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Mm-hmm.

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You want to know what he says to me about you?

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Then why the f*** did you think about doing the same thing?

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I went through some pretty hard times.

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I've been through a lot.

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So is he.

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You dare to call him a coward when you've thought about the same thing.

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Does he listen?

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Yeah, he listens.

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But I'm not dead.

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I'm still here.

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Then that's what he needs you to know.

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That's why he singles you out.

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He doesn't want you to end up like he did.

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The things that went on in his life are not so different than the things that you've endured.

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Maybe instead of trying to harass you, maybe he's in his own way trying to save you.

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Alright, we're going to end dead time.

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My daughter, she was my life.

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She was my everything.

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She got taken away.

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I was in a dark, dark place.

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Obviously, I just lost my heart.

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You're carrying a whole lot of pain still.

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And he thinks there's still the possibility that if you don't deal with that pain, that

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you'll give up.

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I'm going to ask you to promise me one thing.

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Don't you be the coward.

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So, during that time, there was one strange thing to describe it as a camera anomaly.

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This is when you guys were in the banquet room, watched what happens to camera three,

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which you were recording all audio.

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Ruth, to finally be known, can you give us some sort of sign?

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That's what happened.

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Looks like something almost went past the camera.

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It's a camera glitch, but it's a glitch that happens at a really interesting moment.

377
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How do you guys feel about all this?

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Yesterday was a hard pill to swallow.

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It really was.

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I mean, that was especially because there are a lot of things I told him.

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I told you yesterday and I told you today.

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Nobody knew that.

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It felt more and more like the attachment was you, Jason.

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What he's doing is a real act of kindness and brotherhood and love.

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He doesn't want you to hurt like he hurt or wind up like he wound up.

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And I think he comes back here to guard and protect you guys, to do what he can within

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his power to be still a part of your unit.

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Plus, and I'm going to give you this, you're helping to save him.

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And he's glad about that.

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This is kind of like his own penance is what I think Chip is kind of getting at.

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That's a perfect way to put it.

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Chip picked up that there was a father-son relationship and Joe was your stepfather, right?

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He didn't really call you stepson.

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He called you son.

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And he hopes that means something to you.

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You know, it's not always the evil bad guy.

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Sometimes it's a lot different than that.

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Sometimes it's a good guy.

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Final Directors Log.

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Sometimes a bond of brotherhood is so strong that not even death can break it apart.

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My hope for Joe is that a spirit can finally find the happiness that eluded him in life

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as he watches over his fellow firefighters here in the station he once called home.